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		<title>By: CitizenRE:REvisited &#171; EE/RE Investing</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-13472</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CitizenRE:REvisited &#171; EE/RE Investing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] photovoltaics, solar energy   There is an excellently researched article on CitizenRE (also see my previous blog entry which has been in my top posts constantly since January) on Renewable Energy Access by Jeffery [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] photovoltaics, solar energy   There is an excellently researched article on CitizenRE (also see my previous blog entry which has been in my top posts constantly since January) on Renewable Energy Access by Jeffery [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Renting solar panels - too good to be true? &#171; Solar Kismet</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-2629</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Renting solar panels - too good to be true? &#171; Solar Kismet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] EE/RE Investing (somewhat supportive of CitizenRE) [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: solarkismet</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-2260</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[solarkismet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 21:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CitizenRE Consultant Report Leaked - Major Issues Revealed

&lt;a href=&quot;http://solarkismet.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/citizenre-consultant-report-leaked-major-issues-revealed/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Read More Here.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CitizenRE Consultant Report Leaked &#8211; Major Issues Revealed</p>
<p><a href="http://solarkismet.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/citizenre-consultant-report-leaked-major-issues-revealed/" rel="nofollow">Read More Here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: tomkonrad</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-2247</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tomkonrad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The counter-arguments to CitizenRE get shot down one by one... VOIP is better than a land-line, and your deposit is only at risk for the short time between signing off on the engineer&#039;s plans and installation.   I am becoming increasingly hopeful about the program...  I&#039;m currently looking into buying a house this summer (I&#039;ve been renting while waiting for the housing bubble to deflate) and will probably sign myself up after I buy.  For myself, I don&#039;t consider the possiblity that they won&#039;t get production working on time to be a big risk, because the ROI on buying solar panels is so low that even if there were no rental option, there would be no incentive to buy... I&#039;d rather invest my money in a dividend-paying renewable energy company.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The counter-arguments to CitizenRE get shot down one by one&#8230; VOIP is better than a land-line, and your deposit is only at risk for the short time between signing off on the engineer&#8217;s plans and installation.   I am becoming increasingly hopeful about the program&#8230;  I&#8217;m currently looking into buying a house this summer (I&#8217;ve been renting while waiting for the housing bubble to deflate) and will probably sign myself up after I buy.  For myself, I don&#8217;t consider the possiblity that they won&#8217;t get production working on time to be a big risk, because the ROI on buying solar panels is so low that even if there were no rental option, there would be no incentive to buy&#8230; I&#8217;d rather invest my money in a dividend-paying renewable energy company.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-2246</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 06:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I signed up a few days ago.  Just wanted to let you know that it is ok if you have VOIP for your phone line, according to them it is preferrable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I signed up a few days ago.  Just wanted to let you know that it is ok if you have VOIP for your phone line, according to them it is preferrable.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-2236</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just wanted to make sure that you understand that signing up with CitizenRe does not require any kind of deposit until the panels are actually installed, so there is little that they could do, short of suing you, if you became impatient and  went with another solar provider.   It is possible that they will be late and without knowing anything about manufacturing solar systems, I expected them to miss their target date, I&#039;ve never seen anyone in any industry hit a target date.  I just can&#039;t find any risk in signing up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to make sure that you understand that signing up with CitizenRe does not require any kind of deposit until the panels are actually installed, so there is little that they could do, short of suing you, if you became impatient and  went with another solar provider.   It is possible that they will be late and without knowing anything about manufacturing solar systems, I expected them to miss their target date, I&#8217;ve never seen anyone in any industry hit a target date.  I just can&#8217;t find any risk in signing up.</p>
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		<title>By: tomkonrad</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-2053</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tomkonrad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you.  

I expect them to be late with their manufacturing facility... unless they  started construction in 2005 or early 2006.  But I think the numbers will work for someone in the next few years.  I&#039;m in &quot;wait and see&quot; mode.  Someone is going to make renting solar panels work, and I consider this model superior to the ownership model.  Is it going to be CitizenRE?  I don&#039;t know, but I&#039;d be willing to bet (and I mean that literally) that in January 2012 there is more than one company in the US that is actually installing PV on people&#039;s roofs and paying for it with a rental model.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you.  </p>
<p>I expect them to be late with their manufacturing facility&#8230; unless they  started construction in 2005 or early 2006.  But I think the numbers will work for someone in the next few years.  I&#8217;m in &#8220;wait and see&#8221; mode.  Someone is going to make renting solar panels work, and I consider this model superior to the ownership model.  Is it going to be CitizenRE?  I don&#8217;t know, but I&#8217;d be willing to bet (and I mean that literally) that in January 2012 there is more than one company in the US that is actually installing PV on people&#8217;s roofs and paying for it with a rental model.</p>
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		<title>By: justme</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-2051</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My skepticism is founded on two big leaps:

1. Business model - This isn’t a new concept in commercial scale solar but is still emerging, and moving it to residential is a leap.

2. Manufacturing facility - I don’t claim to know the industry through and through but a new 500 MW facility isn’t on anyone’s radar. And you don’t just build it and pump out new solar panels. Once it’s built, the panels need to be UL certified, tested for state requirements (CEC), etc. The fact that they say fall 2007 either makes them liars or naive, regardless of the business model.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My skepticism is founded on two big leaps:</p>
<p>1. Business model &#8211; This isn’t a new concept in commercial scale solar but is still emerging, and moving it to residential is a leap.</p>
<p>2. Manufacturing facility &#8211; I don’t claim to know the industry through and through but a new 500 MW facility isn’t on anyone’s radar. And you don’t just build it and pump out new solar panels. Once it’s built, the panels need to be UL certified, tested for state requirements (CEC), etc. The fact that they say fall 2007 either makes them liars or naive, regardless of the business model.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenRE and &#8220;renting solar energy&#8221;: Too Good to Be True? &#171; Solar Kismet</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-2049</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CitizenRE and &#8220;renting solar energy&#8221;: Too Good to Be True? &#171; Solar Kismet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Tom Konrad (pro-CitizenRE) [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: niels</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-1034</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[niels]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A comment on their huge new plant:  Cell manufacturing plants that use new methods of cell manufacturing take years to get up and running.   

Having an NREL process that works in the lab is completely different from a factory assembly line high that cranks out 500 MW per year.

Examples of this include: First Solar, Evergreen, and Nanosolar

Here is a little history on First Solar (who make a 9% efficient CdTe module - no silicon)
Founded in 1999 (i.e., they had their patented idea)
http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/articles2.cfm?TID=303
Began significant production in 2005
http://www.firstsolar.com/company_overview.php
with 20 MW of production

Here is a little history on Evergreen (who draw the silicon in a thin layer out of the melt)
The were founded in 1994 (i.e., they had their patented idea) and hit sales of about $20 million in 2004 
http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/12/123/123321/items/226441/Evergreen2007-01-09%20Needham.pdf

NanoSolar - thin film PV
Founded 2002 - hope to have initial production this year (2007).  I bet it will be 2010 before they will be at full capacity.
http://www.nanosolar.com/history.htm

UniSolar has a similar story.

(Note they all claim to significantly reduce the production cost of cells as well.)

Everyone else makes the same old conventional crystalline panels at roughly the same cost.

Owning a patent or an NREL idea does not mean a production line cranking out MW&#039;s in six months!

This is true for any high-tech industrial process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A comment on their huge new plant:  Cell manufacturing plants that use new methods of cell manufacturing take years to get up and running.   </p>
<p>Having an NREL process that works in the lab is completely different from a factory assembly line high that cranks out 500 MW per year.</p>
<p>Examples of this include: First Solar, Evergreen, and Nanosolar</p>
<p>Here is a little history on First Solar (who make a 9% efficient CdTe module &#8211; no silicon)<br />
Founded in 1999 (i.e., they had their patented idea)<br />
<a href="http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/articles2.cfm?TID=303" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/articles2.cfm?TID=303</a><br />
Began significant production in 2005<br />
<a href="http://www.firstsolar.com/company_overview.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstsolar.com/company_overview.php</a><br />
with 20 MW of production</p>
<p>Here is a little history on Evergreen (who draw the silicon in a thin layer out of the melt)<br />
The were founded in 1994 (i.e., they had their patented idea) and hit sales of about $20 million in 2004<br />
<a href="http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/12/123/123321/items/226441/Evergreen2007-01-09%20Needham.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/12/123/123321/items/226441/Evergreen2007-01-09%20Needham.pdf</a></p>
<p>NanoSolar &#8211; thin film PV<br />
Founded 2002 &#8211; hope to have initial production this year (2007).  I bet it will be 2010 before they will be at full capacity.<br />
<a href="http://www.nanosolar.com/history.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nanosolar.com/history.htm</a></p>
<p>UniSolar has a similar story.</p>
<p>(Note they all claim to significantly reduce the production cost of cells as well.)</p>
<p>Everyone else makes the same old conventional crystalline panels at roughly the same cost.</p>
<p>Owning a patent or an NREL idea does not mean a production line cranking out MW&#8217;s in six months!</p>
<p>This is true for any high-tech industrial process.</p>
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		<title>By: PdxJules</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-815</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PdxJules]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read up on CitizenRe&#039;s offering and applied right away. Since there is no up-front cost. 

IMO, If their Investors are satisfied and sign-off on the new (large) manufacturing plant (designed to cut the cost of their PV systems by about half through economies of scale)  that&#039;s enough for me. I truly hope they suceed to keep on building plants and maintain their deal to lock rates for Customers for 25 years. 

Thanks Tom, for mentioning the Solar Water Rental program - I will check that out, too. Would be very cool - and I&#039;d also like to see someone manufacture a lower cost Solar Space Heat option...that could potentially qualify for energy Conservation rebates. Let me know what you think is best in this arena, if you&#039;ve got something...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read up on CitizenRe&#8217;s offering and applied right away. Since there is no up-front cost. </p>
<p>IMO, If their Investors are satisfied and sign-off on the new (large) manufacturing plant (designed to cut the cost of their PV systems by about half through economies of scale)  that&#8217;s enough for me. I truly hope they suceed to keep on building plants and maintain their deal to lock rates for Customers for 25 years. </p>
<p>Thanks Tom, for mentioning the Solar Water Rental program &#8211; I will check that out, too. Would be very cool &#8211; and I&#8217;d also like to see someone manufacture a lower cost Solar Space Heat option&#8230;that could potentially qualify for energy Conservation rebates. Let me know what you think is best in this arena, if you&#8217;ve got something&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Koester&#8217;s Blog &#187; Solar Power without the Huge Investment</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Koester&#8217;s Blog &#187; Solar Power without the Huge Investment]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 04:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Update 12/17/06:  There seems to be a lot of interest in the Citizenre program.  For a detailed look at the program check out Tom Konrad&#8217;s blog.  He has actually signed up for the program and has some great information for potential participants. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Update 12/17/06:  There seems to be a lot of interest in the Citizenre program.  For a detailed look at the program check out Tom Konrad&#8217;s blog.  He has actually signed up for the program and has some great information for potential participants. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Arnold</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Arnold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the clarification. If the $500 is not due up front, I think that reduces the risk. When a factory is running there will be more of a performance record to go on. Very interesting.
-Tom]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification. If the $500 is not due up front, I think that reduces the risk. When a factory is running there will be more of a performance record to go on. Very interesting.<br />
-Tom</p>
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		<title>By: tomkonrad</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tomkonrad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 04:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to the internal website for associates, the security deposit is not due until an engineer comes out to your house and designs your system for you, and they will not begin sending out engineers until their factory is operating.

One other thing I ran across when looking for this info:
&quot;Solar Silicon is not an issue to Citizenre, as we have arranged for a technology license from NREL to manufacture our own low-cost (low-energy requirement) solar-grade silicon. As you know, the primary concern of the PV industry is control of the feedstock. We have made arrangements to supply our own SG-Si, which makes our primary material MG-Si - material that is highly abundant and guaranteed by one of our industry partners.

We are also aggressively pursuing additional means of SG-Si refinement, with an eye towards moving to carbon as the base material. Nevertheless, we are confident that what we have arranged for will supply us over the next 5 to 10 years of growth - meaning guaranteed SG-Si for all factories over the duration of their expected lifetimes (roughly 10 years) that are built in the next five to ten years.&quot;

Here is an interesting article from Red Herring about the trend towards metallurgical grade silicon (MG-Si) mentioned above, which quotes the CitizenRe CEO David Gregg extensively.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=20157&amp;hed=Solar%3A+Doing+the+Dirty&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=20157&amp;hed=Solar%3A+Doing+the+Dirty&lt;/a&gt;

I don&#039;t have any info about management other than the names on the website.  Even bios are missing (or not up yet.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the internal website for associates, the security deposit is not due until an engineer comes out to your house and designs your system for you, and they will not begin sending out engineers until their factory is operating.</p>
<p>One other thing I ran across when looking for this info:<br />
&#8220;Solar Silicon is not an issue to Citizenre, as we have arranged for a technology license from NREL to manufacture our own low-cost (low-energy requirement) solar-grade silicon. As you know, the primary concern of the PV industry is control of the feedstock. We have made arrangements to supply our own SG-Si, which makes our primary material MG-Si &#8211; material that is highly abundant and guaranteed by one of our industry partners.</p>
<p>We are also aggressively pursuing additional means of SG-Si refinement, with an eye towards moving to carbon as the base material. Nevertheless, we are confident that what we have arranged for will supply us over the next 5 to 10 years of growth &#8211; meaning guaranteed SG-Si for all factories over the duration of their expected lifetimes (roughly 10 years) that are built in the next five to ten years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here is an interesting article from Red Herring about the trend towards metallurgical grade silicon (MG-Si) mentioned above, which quotes the CitizenRe CEO David Gregg extensively.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=20157&amp;hed=Solar%3A+Doing+the+Dirty" rel="nofollow">http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=20157&#038;hed=Solar%3A+Doing+the+Dirty</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any info about management other than the names on the website.  Even bios are missing (or not up yet.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Arnold</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Arnold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Worst case? What if they never survive long enough to produce and install the panels? Hey, I want to see this work but I would have to say &quot;worst case&quot; is that the $500 is lost. 

Any info on the background of the principals?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worst case? What if they never survive long enough to produce and install the panels? Hey, I want to see this work but I would have to say &#8220;worst case&#8221; is that the $500 is lost. </p>
<p>Any info on the background of the principals?</p>
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		<title>By: tomkonrad</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tomkonrad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Solarkismet: 
The key is that $8/watt is the retail price for solar.  If you go through your calculations starting with $6/watt (which a professional solar installer and distributer tells me can currently be done by the most efficient businesses), you get $12000 - $9000 - $900 - $735 = $1365 before your $500 deposit.  That&#039;s a 5 year payback without the deposit, or a 3 year payback with it, neither of which is too shabby, using your numbers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solarkismet:<br />
The key is that $8/watt is the retail price for solar.  If you go through your calculations starting with $6/watt (which a professional solar installer and distributer tells me can currently be done by the most efficient businesses), you get $12000 &#8211; $9000 &#8211; $900 &#8211; $735 = $1365 before your $500 deposit.  That&#8217;s a 5 year payback without the deposit, or a 3 year payback with it, neither of which is too shabby, using your numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: solarkismet</title>
		<link>http://cleanenergywonk.com/2006/12/13/102/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[solarkismet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The math still doesn&#039;t add up for me...

2 kilowatt system @ $8/watt = $16,000
* $9,000 rebate from Xcel = $7,000
* 30% federal tax credit = $4,900
* Depreciation (estimated at 35% savings) = $3,185
* $500 from you = $2,685

2 kilowatts in Boulder, CO might produce 3,000 kWh/yr @ 9 cents/kWh is $270/yr - about a 10 year simple payback, not including the interest on the capital loan.  Not spectacular but electricity prices will rise over time, which might reduce it somewhat.

Plus, you&#039;re probably still responsible for the monthly utility fee, taxes, etc.  I hope that this can work out but I&#039;m skeptical of &quot;too good to be true.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The math still doesn&#8217;t add up for me&#8230;</p>
<p>2 kilowatt system @ $8/watt = $16,000<br />
* $9,000 rebate from Xcel = $7,000<br />
* 30% federal tax credit = $4,900<br />
* Depreciation (estimated at 35% savings) = $3,185<br />
* $500 from you = $2,685</p>
<p>2 kilowatts in Boulder, CO might produce 3,000 kWh/yr @ 9 cents/kWh is $270/yr &#8211; about a 10 year simple payback, not including the interest on the capital loan.  Not spectacular but electricity prices will rise over time, which might reduce it somewhat.</p>
<p>Plus, you&#8217;re probably still responsible for the monthly utility fee, taxes, etc.  I hope that this can work out but I&#8217;m skeptical of &#8220;too good to be true.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: solarhome</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you referring to Hearthmakers&#039; &lt;a href=&quot;http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:Q_AXqRCYSlcJ:www.hearthmakers.org/news/archive.php+Rental+Solar+Hot+Water+Program&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rental Solar Hot Water Program&lt;/a&gt;?  I found that news clipping on their site.  It&#039;s highlighted about 1/3 the way down the page.

&lt;em&gt;Thanks for the link... I think I read about this in a press release from their partner, Enerworks.   http://www.enerworks.com/.   Tom.&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you referring to Hearthmakers&#8217; <a href="http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:Q_AXqRCYSlcJ:www.hearthmakers.org/news/archive.php+Rental+Solar+Hot+Water+Program" rel="nofollow">Rental Solar Hot Water Program</a>?  I found that news clipping on their site.  It&#8217;s highlighted about 1/3 the way down the page.</p>
<p><em>Thanks for the link&#8230; I think I read about this in a press release from their partner, Enerworks.   <a href="http://www.enerworks.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.enerworks.com/</a>.   Tom.</em></p>
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